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Erik vs. Jason - Why Is Erik the Magneto to my Professor X, but JaSoN is the White Goodman to my Peter La FluerIf you aren't a psychologist you can go ahead and stop reading this post. Alright, all psychologists now? Here's the question I pose on this proverbial, digital couch: why is it that I truly like Erik, but I can't stand JaSoN...

Ohh, you'd like a little bit of context.

Sure.

See, Erik is the creator of AllenHuntShowSucks.com. We sometimes exchange as much as 15-20 e-mails a week. He tells me when he goes on vacation. I tell him when I am sick. I generally care for him as a human being. He's an atheist. He pretty much hates everything I stand for. Our relationship reminds me of Professor X and Magneto in the movie X-Men. We are bitter sworn enemies, but we have a fondness and respect for one another that seems to transcend the enemy thing.

JaSoN on the other hand is an annoying blog commenter at TruthTalk Live (a Christian radio show, on Christian stations that Allen and I sometimes fill in on). JaSoN and I's relationship is strictly bound to the blog. He tells me I don't believe in Sola Scriptura. I tell him Sola Scripture isn't even in scripture, so we must rely on theological concepts like the Wesleyan Quadrilateral to pick up where scripture leaves us. I really could careless about him. He's a Christian. We probably basically agree on about 95% of the main issues related to our faith. But for the 5% we disagree on, I want to punch him in the face. Our relationship reminds me of Peter La Fleur and White Goodman in the movie Dodgeball. We are bitter, sworn "brothers", and thanks to atonement for sin, we will have to spend eternity with one another.

So Dr. Internet, do you have enough to figure out why I truly like my "enemy" but dislike my "brother"?

I know. I don't have an answer either. I have been puzzling about this for months now.

I guess if I had to pinpoint it, my real distaste for some other Christians probably stems from what I would call the "bastaderization" of the Gospel. We have reduced the Bible to be "the owner's manual of life" and it has all the answers. We come up with inconsistent theology, and we proof text certain scriptures to make our point more convincing.

But the way I see it, there are some questions the Bible doesn't answer (i.e. How do you make a plane fly? How do you start a heart after a heart attack? Why are some people always depressed?). And that is where we turn to science or medicine or psychology.

And whether preachers would like to admit it or not, there are gray issues in the Bible (i.e. Why does it seem perfectly acceptable for Solomon to sleep around, but I can't? Is is wrong to use English swear words? Is masturbation a sin? Is it ok to pass the homeless guy on the street and not help him out?). And that is where we turn to scripture, reason, experience, tradition, and prayer.

In the end, I guess it is that I seem to forget that I need to approach JaSoN with grace and patience and love, because I think it doesn't matter. Sure we disagree, but his opinion of me won't have any effect on his life or eternity. Where as, psychologically speaking, with Erik I seem to think the way I interact with him could have an eternal difference.

I should probably pray about that inconsistency of behavior.

Thanks Doc. This session has been great.
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Erik
Wednesday, February 13, 2008 07:45:23 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com I actually have some insight into this since I used to post a good bit on Tard Talk Live until they banned me:
Andy likes Erik better because Erik is a genuinely nice human being, and because they are both earnestly seeking after Truth, while JaSon is a smug, irritating, self-righteous little cretin, who spells his username LikEaGirl.



Andy Borgmann
Wednesday, February 13, 2008 08:15:57 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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who spells his username LikEaGirl.
Absolutley hilarious!


Allen
Wednesday, February 13, 2008 09:35:36 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com Way too much love in this room.

I no longer feel safe.


Sarah Elwer
Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:13:45 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com Something I noticed is that with JaSoN you expect him to be using his brain - but I went and read what you had linked to the Truth talk live site - what the heck are you doing wasting your time talking with that guy?! I want to punch him in the face too!!! Eric has a brain - thus you like him - not that hard to figure out! :)

However, I am surprised you don't like Eric more because you always like a good fight...although I guess that's the thing - it's not a "good" fight. Thus leading me back to Eric, he has a brain and he is up for a good fight just like you are - don't bother with JaSoN anymore! Just stick to Eric


Andy Borgmann
Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:24:20 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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However, I am surprised you don't like Eric more because you always like a good fight...
A youth ministry degree does not make you a psychologist. I don't care what Steve or Amy told you ;-)

And yes...that is why I like Erik. I am always up for a good fight and he is a worthy foe. But this brings up a whole new digital couch session...why is it that I prefer to fight with people?


Andy Borgmann
Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:25:15 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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However, I am surprised you don't like Eric more because you always like a good fight
A youth ministry degree does not make you a psychologist. I don't care what Steve or Amy told you ;-)

And yes...that is why I like Erik. I am always up for a good fight and he is a worthy foe. But this brings up a whole new digital couch session...why is it that I prefer to fight with people?


Erik
Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:06:55 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com Well...did you ever used to fight with anyone when you were growing up?



Andy Borgmann
Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:07:43 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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Well...did you ever used to fight with anyone when you were growing up?
Just my brother and my dad ;) Are you saying you are my father.


Erik
Friday, February 15, 2008 09:08:48 AM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com I wouldn't go that far, but it is interesting. The question would be whether you are a fighter because you fought with them or you fought with them because you are a fighter. I don't know. Maybe my own situation is illuminating: I never fought with anyone ever. Growing up I just absorbed the abuse or anger or whatever and tried to keep it inside where it wouldn't hurt anyone. Unfortunately that's not really a long term solution. All that energy has to go somewhere. So now when I see something that upsets me, or some
perceived injustice, I just go absolutely apesh**. But I've finally found a way to channel my energies into something healthy and productive. Thus, allenhuntshowsucks.com.


Andy Borgmann
Friday, February 15, 2008 09:48:46 AM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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So I believe he does address the issues. I don't have all the answers...just a thought.
Ohh I agree. I am not saying that I don't think we can't find answers in the Bible. But what I am saying is that it takes more than just reading the Bible. So, take abortion, I do believe there are scriptural passages that speak to this issue. However, it also takes some reasoning skills because there is no where in the Bible that says exactly, "Abortion is wrong" or gives a case study of the topic.

Communion with God is the only way to truly know where he stands on issues. It's not a relationship with the book (Bible)-although it's an IMPORTANT part of our faith, but it's a relationship with Christ.
Exactly. You hit it right on the nail. I never want to say the Bible isn't important (heck this site is named after a Bible verse), but truth comes from more than just the Bible - it comes from God.


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Andy's blog aims to be like a Scrubs episode, mixed with a Chuck Klosterman column, centered around the topic of faith. It is open, honest, raw, and a little embarrassing. It is a place to discuss religion, politics, ministry, pop culture, and well, just life - especially focused on the time of life we call our 20s!

Andy is the Executive Producer of The Allen Hunt Show; a progressive (in the literal sense), talk radio show based in Atlanta, GA aimed at bringing faith back into the public discussion. Andy enjoys travel, aviation, web design, politics, friends, and faith. He holds that the secret to a full life is loving God and loving people - which he fails at constantly.

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