January 20, 2009 marks a big day. Not because it's the inauguration of President Obama. Rather, it is likely the day that Michael Vick will walk out of prison in Leavenworth and into a halfway house to serve the remainder of his sentence for dog-fighting and other charges. He should be eligible for release in July, just in time for training camp.
I am glad. Vick deserves a second chance. At life. And at a career in the NFL.
Not many people agree.
We like forgiveness when we need it or ask for it. But most of us are not too good at giving it to others. In other words, we are generous with forgiveness when it serves us but stingy when it helps others.
And that is wrong.
Forgiveness is a virtue. It is the centerpiece of my faith. All of us are imperfect. Each of us makes mistakes, hurts other people in various kinds of ways, and fails often to live up to our highest and best selves. Very simply, we are human. But we can learn from our mistakes. We have the capacity to grow and improve in virtue and in life. That is true because we are human. To grow and improve, we need second chances.
Michael Vick has apologized for his actions. He has publicly (and surely privately too) acknowledged that his actions were morally reprehensible. He has been financially ruined. His name has been permanently tarnished. And he has served his time. It is time to move on.
It is also time to give him a second chance. He has already been treated with severity. Until 2007, dogfighting was a felony in most states but a misdemeanor under federal law. A misdemeanor. Usually punished with probation and a fine. A misdemeanor rarely prosecuted by the feds.
All that changed in 2007.
In 2007, the feds made dogfighting a felony and instituted draconian penalties. Prison terms of 3 years, fines of $250,000. And the penalties are assessed PER dog. As a result of intense lobbying by animal rights groups. We're talking about a sea change in approach toward dog-fighting. The new laws and punishments took effect about a month before Vick was arrested and charged. Really bad timing for Vick. Really good timing for federal officials looking to crack down on dogfighting in a high-profile way.
As a result, Michael Vick has endured perhaps the most severe punishment any American has ever received to date for such a crime. He has borne the full brunt of the law in paying (literally and figuratively) for his poor choices. So be it.
But, after fulfilling all that has been asked of him by the law, he has now earned a second chance. It is time for punishment to end and redemption to begin.
Sadly, too many people seem unable to let this case go. Protesters and petitions line the internet and the streets with people demanding that Vick not be released from prison and/or that he never be reinstated to the NFL. A failure to offer mercy, after justice has been meted out and served, says more about the protesters and their bloodlust than it does about Michael Vick and his crimes.
So here's hoping we see Vick released in July.
And surrounding himself with healthy friends and advisors shortly thereafter.
And demonstrating through his behavior that he has learned a painful lesson.
In fact, I look forward to watching him play for the Tampa Bay Bucs or the Oakland Raiders, or the Detroit Lions come the Fall.


Now I do agree that everyone who has served their time needs a second chance. But that chance is not going to necessarily be in the NFL. That would be up to the organization and individual teams to decide and I think they would be well advised to take him back. Maybe he can be a high school football coach in his home town.
In any case, you are spending way too much time talking about and defending Michael Vick. His posisble release to a halfway house is also not more important than the change at the helm of USA. Are you kidding me? MIchael Vick is not that important, even if your Buccaneers are desperate for a good pigskin thrower.
That should read "and I think they wouldn't be well advised to take him back" of course.
*vote
*carry firearms
and that convicted sex offenders should be allowed to live and work anywhere.
Right?
RIGHT?
We have actually done shows on this. He does think they should be allowed to live most places. So Allen may be wrong, but a hypocrite he is not.
http://www.allenhuntshow.com/Listen/498-the-scarlett-letter-halloween-version
They were both forgiven and given a second chance.
I hear you are very enthusiastic when it comes to sports...but I think that your enthusiasm for sports is really blinding you as regards Michael Vick.
i would like to address the issue of Forgiveness here....
Forgiveness.... it is a process, real forgiveness does not happen overnight.
There is Repentance, and there is Restitution....and then even when Forgiveness is granted, It is the person's responsibility to demonstrate that they have really Changed. Change like forgiveness does not happen overnight, either.
i happen to live in Arizona, and we were made very aware of the unspeakable cruelty with which he handled hundreds of dogs. It was so heinous that everyone was shocked and angry and saddened that a human being could harm animals for their own selfish needs. What you may not understand is that Michael Vick did what he did Intentionally. He did what he did Intentionally - okay, so one apology said for the cameras is not demonstrative of true repentance.
In brief, what Michael Vick did was so outright heinous - You can find so many articles on the subject of his dogfighting ring...over one hundred dogs were seized just in Arizona, that doesn't include the larger ring that he was/is a part of.
Many of the dogs had to be euthanized it was so bad. I could go on...
Please don't just chalk this up to Animal Rights Extremists... because that is not the case when you're looking at the bigger picture wnd the source of the outrage....The thing that Michael Vick lacks is Compassion. Compassion being one of the most sacred parts of what it is to be human.
Also, in the whole topic of Forgiveness, etc. One has to also weigh that with that which is Evil. You need to define Evil. yes, even when talking about God and Faith.
what a dissapointment tonight.... clearly you are not being objective.
You're right. Just because one believes in forgiveness doesn't mean that one champions the guilty person's cause.
You're a real common sense person, I'm so tired of (so-called) Christians (mean people wanna be righteous) that think they can be mean just because they haven't been caught yet. Matter of fact, all of those mean people seem to be here on this blog. IMO, they do as much damage as a foreign islamic jihad on our country and culture.
Thank you.
Doug.
A therapist, priest, or pastor may be in your future. Obviously you don't have one.
Good luck to you. I forgive you.
is it spiritually ennobling to forgive God for what he has done to us?
Discuss.
Huh? What the hell did I say that could possibly justify such hostility?
From what you said above, It is obvious you don't. In Christianese "I forgive you" has become an empty throwaway phrase anyway.
And I stand by what I said earlier even stronger now that I have seen Allen has wasted all three hours on that thug. Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. Aren't' there more important and/or interesting things to talk about? How about Irael-Hamas war. Now that's a "real life and faith" story if I ever saw one. Or how about the Vatican using pseudoscience against the birth control pill?
Will he see his errors like the man in the Bible who beat his donkey? All we have to go by is his little speech that was probably written by his lawyer or a PR person to make him look good. Vick is, or was, just another rich celebrity with no regard for the law, and he is getting his punishment. And even if he knew the laws had changed, do you think he would have stopped? He wasn't planning on getting caught!
Should he play again? I don't know if I want him getting his hands on loads of money. What if he gets into the same thing? More dogs will suffer. To be fair, my personal feelings about dogfighting in general aside, when his sentence is over, then it's over. I hope he will turn his life around. But, I think if he goes back to the NFL, any property he owns should be frequently and randomly inspected, and he should be banned from owning any live animals for the rest of his life.
I am glad the animal cruelty laws are getting tougher, especially here in Georgia. Dogfighting is a nasty, widespread underground evil here, and yes, I understand your argument that we need to go after child molesters, murderers, etc., but...does that mean we should ignore animal abuse?
Remember, there is more to dogfighting than just the dogfights themselves. The dogs are abused severely during training. As a result, some of them can turn on people. There is almost always gambling and drug dealing at the fights, and don't forget a huge number of household pets get stolen for use as bait animals. If Vick had stolen your kids' pet dog or cat and let one of his dogs mangle it to death, would you be so quick to overlook his behavior?
This is a very good point! Yet again Allen shows his childlike credulity ("he says he's sorry, let me even play the clip of him saying he is sorry, so by golly he must be sorry") in accepting claims he wants to believe on other grounds.
Good dog!
Are these the same thing? And please notice the order in which you put these.
"Forgive him?"
My faith teaches otherwise. Forgiveness lies at the center of my faith. It is not optional or to be given stingily.
" leopards don't change their spots.
We do have the capacity to change. If you do not believe that, I feel very sorry for you. I have changed and grown much from my mistakes. My hope is that you have experienced that as well.
Vick has asked for forgiveness. Here's an idea - give it to him
Great Stuff Allen.
Allen... oh Allen.. I am usually right on the same page as you. When the story first broke about Michael Vick, I was completely overcome with despair and anger towards the man. What he did was EVIL... there is nodoubt about that.
I have been involved with the rescue of unwanted dogs for several years.. and have seen first hand what cruelty and neglect can do to a dog. Dogs are God's creatures, Allen... and they do not deserved to be treated cruelly ever!
There are a gazillion resources that I can share with you that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that people who abuse animals will eventually abuse another human being. You posed the question in the show: Is Michael Vick as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer??? Well.. perhaps not, but Jeffrey Dahmer started out abusing animals as a young child.
Laws have never been strict enough for those who abuse animals. The laws that are now in place came about not because of Michael Vick, but because of people like him. They are the result of alot of hard work by alot of people. Michael Vick was not a scapegoat. What he did was EVIL!
Michael Vick, as a celebrity and professional Athlete had the responsibility to act above reproach. I believe this to be to be true for all professional athletes, and it's clear that there is a serious problem with this.
Your comments disturbed me Allen... you were so callous about the seriousness of such heinous abuse to a living creature. I think perhaps you are a bit biased because you want this man on "your" team. Whether or not he should be reinstated is a business decision within the NFL.
However, all this said, I am a Christian... and I do believe in forgiveness. I PRAY that he's truly sorry.. and I suppose he deserves a 2nd chance. I do think he needs to continue to do community service.. but I don't agree with the stiff penalties that other animal rights groups are suggesting. I also believe that he must be watched closely. I sincerely hope he's truly remorseful for his actions... he has alot to prove... but I will pray for him.
In closing, I'd like to share one of my favorite hymns:
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.